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===========================================================================THE CRUCIBLE <ParaNet Pi> 416-244-9999 - 24Hrs - 12/24/96 *HST*
(1:223/264)=========================================================================== The following file contains selected excerpts
from phoneconversations I had with Robert Swan during the month of December.Bill Cooper both supplied me with his name, whereabouts, and "co
de"by which Robert Swan was to know that it was okay to divulge informationto me regarding his knowledge of what Bill Cooper had discussed w
ith him. As Bill Cooper did not have Swan's phone number, I had to findthat out for myself. Additionally, Bill has asked that I not p
rint Swan's address, as he does not want this individual "harassed". For those whoare serious about getting to the truth of the matter, they
will know howto find this individual. There will be no commentary from myself, as the file shouldspeak for itself. Anything in [ ] b
rackets will represent clarificationof speech where necessary. Although several calls were made to RobertSwan, I have only included the most
revelant material from 2 of them here. The purpose of my communicating with Robert Swan was to verifywhether or not Bill Cooper had
indeed shown him certain UFO-relateddocuments (ie. Project Aquarius papers) back in 1972. -Tom Mick
us 1/22/89Note: "........" indicates conversation not reproduced here.Selected Excerpts from Phone Conversation (A) (WITHOUT KNOWING "CODE")
----------------------------------------------------------------------........<MICKUS> "Of course you don't know me. I've been speaking with
Bill Cooper". <SWAN> "Un-huh."<MICKUS> "And you knew him from a while back?" <SWAN> "Yes."........<MICKUS> "There's one thing I
wanted to ask you. Bill has decided to go public with all he knows, and has been getting from his sources; about what he kno
ws about the U.S. gov't cover-up..." <SWAN> "Un-huh."<MICKUS> "...with UFOs, that type of thing..." <SWAN> "Un-huh."<MICKUS> "...and as one
of the coroborating sources, he had mentioned your name to myself, and one other person as far as I know, about both of you
seeing an Aquarius telex document back in '72. And I just wanted to find out, get confirmation from youf that that was true
, that the content in there was what Bill has reproduced." <SWAN> "You know I can't um...I can't verify that. I don't recall
that."<MICKUS> "So you don't remember ever seeing anything like that?" <SWAN> "No. I may have. But off the top [of my head], you know tha
ts been years and years. And I don't, I don't at the present time remember...you know if I remember the circumstances or
something...if you could let me know what the circumstances were, then I could piece it back together. To all of a sudd
en to try and remember something like that... I mean, there's all kinds of discussions that we've had in the past, lengthy..
.and so on."<MICKUS> "You mean related to this?" <SWAN> "Ahh, well there was a lot of stuff just as far as the carriers [aircraft]
and stuff like that. But..." <MICKUS> "Just dealing with the military though?" <SWAN> "Yeah. ...but not anything that... He was always very
above-board with stuff. As far as classified stuff, when I was on the...I think he was on the Enterprise...I don't remembe
r, but I was on board one time, and we were going through...he was showing me around and stuff, and there was areas that he
had access to that naturally I wouldn't. I know his knowledge is definitely there."<MICKUS> "So you can attest to that he has, or di
d have this, high security rating that would give him access to..." <SWAN> "Oh yeah. Sh*t yeah.<MICKUS> "...cause he's come out an
d said that he's got 4 different military intelligence sources." <SWAN> "Right. Well he was in the Air Force, the Navy... anyway,
right now I can't really recall the...if I remember the circumstances maybe I could piece it back together...I'll thi
nk about it...but as far as the UFO stuff, that...that was pretty much hearsay from what was going on on the carriers and st
uff."<MICKUS> "You mean from Bill, or from other people?" <SWAN> "From Bill, yeah."<MICKUS> "Okay, this is the one thing he mentioned. The
year was 1972 and it was an Aquarius-telex. Now I imagine if you did see this thing, it would probably stick in your mind...
" <SWAN> "Yeah..."<MICKUS> "you know, about exchange of technology between Alien groups, Project Plato, then there was a Project Si
gma about establishing communications, Project Redlight to test fly Alien aircraft, then there was the Project Snowbird to c
over that up, and that was about all that was in the Aquarius document." <SWAN> "Yeah."<MICKUS> "But that doesn't ring a bell?" <S
WAN> "No it doesn't."........<MICKUS> "But you say it could be true though?" <SWAN> "Oh yeah, it could be true, sure. He was really into th
at. You know, I mean as far as... yeah he was really interested in that kind of sh*t. But I don't recall seeing that. And
like you said, if I had, it probably would stick in my mind. However, if I remember the circumstances, like I said, maybe
I could piece it back together, but right now..."<MICKUS> "About Bill's involvement, would you say that he's pretty level-headed
about it? Was he talking about it all the time?" <SWAN> "No, I'd say he was pretty level headed about it."........ <SWAN> "Well he certai
nly had access to a lot of information. I'm aware of that."........ <SWAN> "Basically what I had gathered from him is on the space
shots and so on, from tracking and so on...the sightings that have been seen from astronauts in space, you know, communicati
ons on board...just the sightings and so on. And I think thats what got his interest going on the thing. Navigation, he was
a navigator I believe, and so he had all that front-line communication stuff going."<MICKUS> "I'm just curious, but is he bo
und by any,...I know there are various regulations and this type of thing. But conceivably could he be in any hot water over
..." <SWAN> "I would say so. Right off the top [of my head]". He's no longer in the military is he?<MICKUS> "No..."........========
=============================================================Selected Excerpts from Phone Conversation (B) (WITH "CODE" THIS TIME)----------
-----------------------------------------------------------........<MICKUS> "The reason why Bill doesn't want you to get in touch with
him in the immediate interim, is because he has to get independent verification that he did see these particular document
s so many years ago. Now you personally haven't spoken with him, or corresponded for how long would you say?" <SWAN> "Twel
ve, thirteen years."........<MICKUS> "...the night before he was to get married, he apparently told you "on the eve of his wedding",
that was to be the code or whatever,...that you originally weren't supposed to tell anyone about this because it was just c
onfidential between both of you. But he was telling me about when he had his house up on Aeia Heights Dr....[Bill Said] " I
lived only a few houses below him, it was at night, we had a few drinks, I showed him the documents and gave him a c
opy of it. And we talked for about an hour about it. I asked him to never to discuss it with anyone as it was Top Secret. An
d then we never discussed it again after that." <SWAN> "Right."<MICKUS> "So do you remember that?" <SWAN> "I remember something to
that effect, yup."<MICKUS> "And he said in the document, the coversheet said Majesty, it h